At least in many Mediterranean types and other Europeans, White Americans, North Africans and Arabs.
Let's take a look.
The link is dead now, but from this dead link:
Middle Eastern/Arab Group Black %
Iraq (Jews) 0.0%
Iran (Jews) 0.0%
Sephardic Jews 0.0%
Yemen (Jews) *4.0%
Bedouin 4.3%
Iraqis *4.5%
Syrians 5.0%
Jordanians *7.0%
Palestinians 8.8%
UAE 11.1%
Saudis *13.5%
Omanis 16.0%
Qataris *16.0%
Yemenis (Sana) *17.5%
Yemenis (Hadramawt) 19.0%
* I had to recalculate the % because my Yemeni #'s were wrong. It appeared that all of my #'s were for the mother's side only, and the father's side seems to have been only 4%. We add them together and divide by two, or obtain a medium between the larger mtDNA # and the smaller Y-chromosome #, which I put at 4% for Yemenis, 1% for Iraqis and 0% for everyone else.
Another study showed Black Y-DNA: Palestinians, 10.3%, UAE, 7.3% and Bedouins, 3.6%. Those figures were averaged into the above.
Jordanian Bedouins. These people are 4.3% Black. The fellow on the left seems to have some Black features, but the man on the right has very Caucasian features. Dark skin, as with the Syrian woman below, may just be a melanin adaptation to a hot clime as opposed to a legacy of Black genes.This group, the Bedouins, appears to be a very ancient Caucasian group, though I can't seem to prove it - it's just a hunch of mine. They are on the borders genetically between Blacks and Caucasians, along with Yemenis, Arabians, Berbers, Algerians, the Beja, and Nubians.
Ethiopians are in there too somewhere, but they are clearly into the Black category, although they are best thought of as an intermediate group between Blacks and Caucasians. Bedouins are one of the most divergent genetic groups in the Caucasian race. Bedouins are the original Jordanians, and they still run the state. 70% of Jordan is Palestinian, but they don't control the state, probably by Zionist-imperialist design.
In the Arab World, or at least in the Gulf, most of the Black genes seem to have come in on the mother's side. This implies that Arab men were having sex with Black slave girls, given the normative Black-Arab relationship of slave-master in the Gulf for far too long. There is much less Black paternal DNA, which means that Black slaves were not having sex with that many Arab women.
A very dark-skinned, yet nevertheless very Caucasian-looking Syrian woman. Syrians are about 5% Black, but as we can see in the case of Sicilians (5.5% Black), that's usually not enough to effect the phenotype much. Some of these dark-skinned Arabs may have just layered on a lot of melanin due to evolving in a hot climate.All of the links to the relevant journal articles are dead too, but if anyone wants to track them down, here they are: link, link and link.
A Yemeni man. We have Yemenis near where I live; they run the local stores. They are clearly a mostly-Caucasian people, but they do have about 19% Black admixture. This fellow looks sort of Greek or Berber or possibly like someone from the Caucasus.This is a very ancient region, and Yemen is probably where the first people came out of Africa. It is surely where the first proto-Caucasians left Africa also. There are still some Negritos here in the Mahra region who are probably the remnants of the original humans that left Africa 70,000 years ago. They are called Black Yemenis, and are treated horribly by the Arabs.
There is a high value put on whiteness in Yemen. A young man who works at the local market tells me that he hates summer because he turns so dark from the sun. In Yemen, dark is bad, White is good. I try to tell him that he lives in Mexifornia now and Brown is the new White, but I'm not sure if he believes me.
These guys forbid their women from working and their Mom chooses a future wife for them. Mixing between the sexes outside of marriage is strictly forbidden. Some of the young women have abandoned the hijab, but they're hardly liberated.
There's no trouble at all from these Yemenis or from the sizable Palestinian population nearby. In fact, they are a Hell of a lot better behaved than the local Hispanics, and the IQ's of Iraq and Palestine are quite a bit below US Hispanics.
Surely there is more to acting civilized and having good morals and manners than IQ. I really like these Yemeni guys; they are a lot of fun. Good people all around.
Since the links are dead, I'm open to anyone who wants to research this issue further.
Abir Aramin, a Palestinian. I assume this is a girl? Anyway, Palestinians are 8.8% Black. As you can see, they vary widely, and many look as Whites as any European. This phenotype could easily be Italian or Turkish, but actually, I am thinking that a better description is the people of the Caucasus such as Dagestanis and Chechens. That White nationalists insist that people like Abir are "non-Whites" is utterly insane.Spaniards and Portuguese are about 4% Black on average. This is horribly upsetting to White nationalists, but right now, I wish to trade about 20,000 Mesoamericans in my town for 20,000 Iberians, thank you very much. How bad could they be? We already have them here in this town - they are called the White Mexicans, and they are a profoundly well-behaved elite. These people are bad just why now, oh big White Man?
Arabs are in serious denial about their Black heritage, and this is a real sore issue with them, so don't try to bring it up. Some Arabs take great pride in being White and many others could care less. In Yemen, lighter skin is much prized and darker skin is not good.
I looked an older Yemeni man I know straight in the eye recently and said, "You guys are White, just like me," and watch his smile light up the heavens (We were discussing the Negritos that supposedly live in the Mahra region of Yemen).
Check out Rashida Jones - 35% Black. Even at 1/3 Black, a lot of people hardly show any Black phenotype. This woman is 65% White and 35% Black. If you are going to classify folks by race, you may as well do it on a phenotypical basis, if nothing else.
Her phenotype is White Caucasian, even though she is a mixed-race person. What's hilarious is that every White nationalist around would say she's White until they were told of her actual ancestry, at which point, they would insist that she's "non-White". She look "non-White" to you?
US Blacks are virtually another race apart from Africans, so it is about time we quit conflating the two of them. US Blacks are 3% Amerindian and 17.5% White, or 20.5% non-Black, and that is on average. Almost all US Blacks have some White in them.
A group was found recently in the Deep South who were lumberjacks in a logging town. Some of these Blacks had a reputation for being very Black. The study found that they were only 5% White on average. The Gullas on the SE Coast are another very Black group that is only about 3.5% White.
Pure Black US Blacks who did not recently come from Africa are probably quite rare to nonexistent.
Some US Blacks are actually proud of their White heritage. A Black woman who is over here a lot sure is. She is a Cajun, and takes great pains to let me know. "These Blacks around here are too...niggerish!" she exclaims as we ride in the car. I am shocked but not surprised.
Some US Blacks are Whiter than others: Louisianans (the Cajuns above) are 22% White, and West Coast Blacks are 26% White. Southern Blacks are 12% White.
There was no epidemic of slave masters have sex with slaves. Only a few White Southerners mated with Black females. Instead, through US history, about 3% of Black women each generation (that means about 1 Black woman out of 33 ) bore part-White babies over a period of 300 years, at about the same rate. The miscegenation occurred over a very long period.
There was probably very little Black male - White female mating until recently.
Prior data suggested that US Blacks were 30% White, but those studies were poorly done. Shriver's study is much better.
North Africa is definitely part-Black. From a dead link once again:
North African Group Black %
Algerian Kabilyes 1.5%
Moroccan Berbers 5%
Algerian Berbers 10%
Moroccan Arabs 13%
North African average 13%
Mauritanians 44%
Sahelians 44%
Tauregs 82%
The first six are mostly-White (the next two only barely) but the last, Tauregs, are mostly Black, looking similar to US Blacks.
Mauritanians and Sahelians are similar to Ethiopians, who are 56% Black and 44% Black on average,
The figures for Black admixture are possibly discouraging to White nationalists, but considering that 90% of them are Nordicists anyway, maybe not:
European/Eurasian Group Black %
Georgia (Jews) 0%
Kurdish Jews 0%
Ashkenazi Jews 0%
Azerbaijan 0%
Armenia 0%
Georgia 0%
Nogay .2%
Russia *0.2%
Poland *0.2%
Slovakia *0.2%
Czechoslovakia *0.2%
Corsica 0.4%
Northern Italy 0.5%
Austria 0.5%
Turkey 0.5%
Britain 0.7%
Central Italy 0.8%
Italy (Tuscany) 1.2%
Turkey (Istanbul) 1.4%
Italy (Calabria) 1.5%
Germany 1.7%
Italy (Apulia) 1.9%
France 2.0%
Spain (Cantabrian Pasiegos) 2.0%
Kurds 2.0%
Italy average 2.1%
Albania 2.1%
Cyprus (Turk) 2.1%
Spain average 2.2%
Corsica 2.3%
Spain (Galicia) 2.5%
Iberian average 2.7%
Central Portugal 3.6%
Sicily (Ragusa) 3.7%
Italy (Sardinia) 3.9%
Italy (Calabrian Albanians) 4.1%
Southern Spain 4.1%
Southern Italy 4.2%
Sicily (Castelammare) 4.2%
Northern Portugal 4.3%
Portugal average 4.4%
Central Portugal 4.5%
Greece 5.0%
Italy (Sicily) 5.3%
S. Portugal (Alentejo-Algarve) 5.8%
Portugal (Madeira Islands) 6.5%
Southern Portugal average 7.4%
Sicily (Sciacca) 8.7%
*These figures include mtDNA only and no Y-DNA, so I set Y-DNA at 0. No doubt the Y-DNA is miniscule to nonexistent.
The Greek figure is very controversial. However, going by autosomal markers that typically show 5% Black DNA in Greeks, I went with that figure. It is true that Y-DNA and mtDNA show much less, but in this post, I am going by the findings that show the largest quantity. I still do not how much Black genes Greeks have in them.
I am confident that Greeks do have quite a bit of Berber, Arab and Phoenician blood in them though, and I am very suspicious of Pontikos Dienekes' (Greek nationalist) work. The other argument, that Greeks have significant Black blood, is here.
These are some classic Greek types - a classic Greek phenotype.Autosomal studies show that Greeks have ~5% Black genes. That compares well with 5.5% Black genes in Sicilians and 7.4% Black genes in Southern Portuguese and seems about right, however, if you look at the usual stuff, Y-DNA and mtDNA, there is almost nothing there. None of this makes sense.
At that level, we often don't see much Black phenotype, and indeed, in your average Greek and Sicilian, we don't see any Black in them. There is a swarthiness, but keep in mind that all of these three groups also have lots of Berber, Arab and Phoenicians genes too. Further, they probably layered on some melanin in the hot clime.
A Greek nationalist named Dienekes Pontikos, along with a Southern Italian nationalist who runs the Racial Reality site, both of whom I formerly respected, are apparently behind some Net anthro fraud in which they are trying to pass off Greeks and Southern Italians off as some sort of "pure Whites", I guess as a sop to White nationalists, or so they can be White too. They have laid into the Kemp paper and an Internet jihad against it has unfolded.
Unfortunately, there is far more evidence for Black genes in Greeks than a single paper by a guy named Kemp. Indeed, the evidence is quite overwhelming.
Both Racial Reality and Dienekes are generally fine sites, but when it comes to their own ethnic group, the insanity rule of ethnic nationalism applies: ethnic nationalism drives the sanest people completely nuts.
The whole enterprise is absurd. Greeks and Italians are clearly Caucasians and, if you will, Whites. Yes, they have a bit of Black blood in them, but not much. Is this really the end of the world, guys?
An Azeri man from Azerbaijan. These people are actually said to be people from the Caucasus, similar to Armenians and Georgians, who have adopted a Turkish language, rather than being a more Asiatic Turkic. Many Azeris look very European and would hardly be out of place in any European country, even a Northern one. The US is trying to foment an Azeri separatist movement in Iran, but it's not going to go anywhere.The Iranian regime is disgusting, and bans all languages other than Persian from school, but other than that, most Azeris don't want to leave. For one thing, they run the country. Ahmadinejad, Khomeini, Khatami, Khameini, and most of the top leadership have long been Azeris. It was actually Iranian Azeris who created the Sassanid Shia state that modern Iran is based on back around 1600 and they have been running the show ever since. Why secede? What for?
Azeris are also said to have some Dravidian blood in them, but I would like to see some data on that. Photos of some Dravidian-looking Azeris. These people do not have any Black in them that I am aware of. Maybe future studies will find some.
As you can see, Black admixture in Europeans is concentrated in the Iberian peninsula, and even there, the levels are quite low. At levels like this, we often see no observable Black phenotype at all. I think it is funny that those big, tough German White nationalists have more Black in them than those greasy Calabrians (Southern Italians just to the north of the Sicilian boot) that they despise so much. That's rich!
The truth is that Italians and especially Greeks have quite a bit of Berber, Arab and Phoenician in them, and this for the most part accounts for their darker features. There's not a whole lot of evidence that either group has much Black genes in them.
Note that the European Black %'s are averages. Similarly, we can come up with an average Black admixture for US Whites, but only 30% of Whites have discernible Black admixture. In these Whites, it averages about 1.7%. Hey, White nationalists! Got a little Black in you? Hey, it's not the end of the world.
The father of Ardent, a blogger who runs the interesting Ardent Observations blog and is also an acquaintance of mine. She is of Turkish-Cypriot ancestry and lives in Australia. This is a photo of her father, who left Cyprus as a single young man and hopped a ship to Australia barely knowing a word of English. Some local Turks grabbed him when he landed, got him a job and a place to stay and eventually he raised a family there.I think it is interesting that he looks as White as any White American around. Actually, he looks like my own father did when he was young. My father is German-French. Ardent notes in the comments section at the end of this post that people used to tell her father that he looked Slavic, but he did not appreciate that, as he was a Muslim, and the Ottomans and Slavs were enemies for centuries.
It's interesting that Turks seem to have one of the lowest Black gene %'s in Europe. Turks are only 1% Black, and furthermore, it is possible that Black genes may only be present in a small percentage of Turks - perhaps as low as 10%. This is notable since Turkey is fairly close to Africa.
But it looks like the whole Anatolian/Caucasus region has received very few Black genes. Black genes made it to Syria and Iraq in the south and to Greece in the West, but seem to have halted there. Germans have 70% more Black genes that Turks have.
Turks are a very interesting people genetically. They are Caucasians, at least according to me anyway, and they can easily be classed as the same European White subrace as Europeans.
Turks don't seem to give a damn if people think they are White or not though, probably due to long-standing hostility between the Muslim Ottomans and Christian Europe. In other words, to be a White Turk is to be the same person as a Christian European, and not only do Turks like to think of themselves as different, but Christian Europe was an enemy for centuries.
Genetically, Turks are on the border between Asians and Caucasians, along with Jews, Georgians, Armenians, Kurds, the Caucasus, Iranians, Afghans, Kazakhs, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Uighurs, the Altai, Mongolians, Northeast Chinese, Koreans and the Chukchi. The Chukchi are an Eskimo-like Asian group living on the Chukchi Peninsula that actually fall into the White section of the major Cavalli-Sforza autosomal markers map.
I call this area the Caucasian-Asian Divide. It runs in a wide swath from about Turkey to Iran, Afghanistan and India, then up through the "Stans" to Western China, Altai and Mongolia, then east to Korea and up to the Chukchi Peninsula and the Bering Straight. On some maps, Amerindians are also close to this Divide.
On many of these same gene maps, Turks and especially Northern Turkics like the Altai are right on the border between Asians and Caucasians, and one nearly has to toss a coin to decide which major race to put Turks in. I put Turks into Caucasians primarily based on phenotype and not for any other good reason.
Some White nationalists say that 30-50% of Turks are "White Turks" (like Ardent's father) and the other 50-70% are the more Asiatic prototypical Turks. I figure your average Turk could care less about a distinction like that, but certainly the fact that almost all White nationalists say that Turks are "non-Whites" is totally insane. Look at Ardent's father and say with a straight face that he's "non-White". Come on. Anyway, genetically, Turks are a most interesting group of people.
There is extensive commentary from Ardent and a light-skinned US Black woman who has spent a lot of time in Turkey about Blacks and Turkey. The Black woman says that Turkey is one of the most Black-friendly countries she has ever lived in. Turks don't seem to have much racism towards Blacks, for whatever reason. She also met an Iranian man who told her that Iran was a quite Black-friendly country too.
Apparently many Turks had Black servants in recent times and in Ottoman times there were many Black slaves in addition to the famous White Circassian Beauties. The female Black slaves were often encouraged to abort when they were made pregnant by a Turk, and the male slaves were often castrated.
She also said some Iraqis were very friendly to her, so prejudice against Blacks is surely not universal in Iraq, and there are Iraqis with obvious Black ancestry in the Shia South. White nationalists like to say that most ethic groups despise Blacks as if it is some sort of a universalism. That's apparently not true in the case of Arabs, Iranians and Turks anyway.
Here is the data that I used to arrive at these conclusions. You're free to go through it if you wish and see if you come up with something similar:
mtDNA data:
Wikipedia mtDNA - Portugal (Madeira Islands) - 13%, Sicily (Sciacca), 11.9%, Southern Italy, 8.1%, Southern Spain, 6.5%, Central Portugal, 6%, Sicily, 5.1%, Southern Portugal, 4.6%, Sardinia, 4.4%, Sicily (Castelammare), 4%, Italy (Apulia), 3.4%, France, 2.9%, Northern Portugal, 2.6%, Rome, 2.2%, Spain, 2.2%, Central Italy, 2%, Tuscany, 2%, Sicily (Ragusa), 2%, Albania, 1.4%, Germans, 1.3%, Slavs (Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Russians) .4%, Austria, .3%, Britain, .3%.
Most North Africans are 13% Black.
A study by Gonzalez et al. 2003 found L haplogroups at rates of 0.1% in Scotland, 0.4% in England, 0.7% in North Germany, 1.4% in France, 2.9% in Galicia, 2.2% in Northern Portugal, 4.3% in Central Portugal, and 8.6% in Southern Portugal (Alentejo and Algarve)
Note that these figures do not count the L3 lineage, which may be of ancient introduction and so remains ambiguous.
For comparison, sub-Saharan mtDNA runs 21.8% in North Africa.
According to another study by Pereira et al. 2005 sub-Saharan mtDNA L haplogroups were found at rates of 0.62% in a German-Danish sample, 0.94% in Sicilians, 1% in the British/Irish, 2.38% in Albanians, 2.86% in Sardinians. This paper which provides a deeper and more global insight into the African female influence in Iberia shows that the mean frequency reaches 3.83% in Iberians.
The frequency is clearly higher in Portugal (32 sequences in 549 individuals; 5.83% with a high frequency of 11% in southern Portugal) than in Spain (8 out of 496; 1.61% with a higher frequency of 3.26% in Galicia) and without parallel in the rest of Europe.
Y-DNA data: Y-DNA Sub-Saharan African Y-chromosomes are much less common in Europe, for the reasons discussed above. However, Haplogroups E(xE3b) and Haplogroup A spread to Europe due to migrations from Northeast Africa, rather than the slave trade. In some of the data below, E-M35 is included.
The haplotypes have been detected in Northern Portugal, 6%, Sicilians, 5.5%, Albanians in Calabria, 4.4%,Turkish Cypriot, 4.3%, Sardinia, 3.4%, Portugal, 3%, Istanbul Turks, 2.9%, Italy (Calabria), 2.6%, France, 2.5% (in a very small sample), Germany, 2%, Spain (Cantabrian Pasiegos), 1.8%, Southern Spain, 1.6%, Turks, 1%, Corsica, .7%, Austria, .78%, Italy, .45%, Spain, .42% and Greece, .27%.
By contrast, North Africans have about 5% paternal black admixture.
James Schipper comments in the comments section: If only 1 out of 33 black women per generation was impregnated by a white male, then only about 1 out 33 x 7 = 231 white males per generation impregnated a black woman. So much for the argument that lots of white men were having sex with black females.
You know that it is the dose that makes the poison. To paraphrase that, it is the admixture that determines the classification. Let's take 5 mixtures of beer and wine. A is 96% wine and 4% beer, B is 70% wine and 30% beer, C is 50/50, D is 30% wine and 70% beer and E is 4% wine and 96% beer. There should be no harm in calling A wine and E beer.
Likewise, calling the Portuguese Whites despite their black admixture of about 4% makes perfect sense. The one drop of blood rule is good only for homeopaths.
Let's use an analogy. We don't call German a Latin language even though maybe 5% of German vocabulary is of Latin origin. Some of these words may look German. For instance, schreiben = write comes from the Latin scribere. Conversely, Spanish is called a Latin language although certainly less than 100% of its vocabulary is of Latin origin.
He is surely correct. One of the main reasons that any kind of White nationalist movement is doomed to fail in the US is due to the WN's insane failure to include Iberians, Italians, Serbs, etc.
The number of WN's who insist that Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, Greeks and Serbs are not White is very large, and it usually seems like a large majority on most forums. WN deserves to fail anyway because it's nothing but racist bullshit, but this will just insure its grave for sure.
Now, the sort of race realism that Fred on Everything is pushing is usually completely sane and is likely to go over well. Further, it's possible that his POV is largely devoid of anything that can meaningfully be called racism. He used to ride along with big city cops a lot, so he knows the inner city very well. He's got some very interesting arguments about what do about the public schools.
He lives in Mexico and apparently loves Mexicans just fine. He thinks it's really stupid to let them swarm in here by the millions. Fred notes that in Mexico, the illegals are considered the least desirable elements of that society. I am not sure what Fred means by that, but you can use your imagination.
The whole idea of immigration is to pick the cream of the crop. There's a possibility that we are doing the opposite with regard to Mesoamerican mass illegal immigration.
WN's have turned their back on Fred, apparently because he married a Mexican woman! That makes him a race traitor in their lunatic eyes. So you can see right now that with built-in faults like that, this is a doomed movement.
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